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By DumboRAT
Published: December 6, 2003
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Maruzen Remingto(n) M870 Grip Version (pump-action) and M1100 (semi-automatic, GBB) Composite Full-Stock Version gas-operated shotguns.



First and foremost, with regards to these shotgun replicas, you'll have to make some decisions as to your playing style.



If you're looking for a replica that's suited for outdoor use, where you likely need a good effective range (at least that of stock Tokyo Marui AEG's) and minimal spread of the BB's (so as to effect accurate shots at range), then the Maruzen gas-operated versions are simply NOT for you.



In the above case, the Tokyo Marui shotgun replicas, either the M3 or the SPAS, will fit your bill much better.



However, if you're looking for a short range area-saturation item, then the Maruzen is your ticket. With the TM shotguns, their tri-inner-barrel design, while offering superb individual BB flight trajectory (which translates into stock AEG-level effective range) really effectively so minimize BB-shot spread as to make it, for all practical purposes, non-existent. Sure, it's great to use outdoors, where the triple-shot on what is essentially one center-shot kill location will help penetrate thick undergrowth and thus effectively increase your chances of scoring an elimination, but without spread, you don't really get the "shotgun effect."



Want proof?



http://airsoftguns.com/news/1999/08/targets.html



With the Maruzen M870, even at a range of 10-15 ft., with use of HFC134a (i.e. "duster") gas and 6 to 7 0.20 gram BB's, the spread of the BB-shots will literally fill a 2-ft. diameter circle.



Combine that with a muzzle velocity that's likely in the range of 150 to 180 fps. (for each BB) with such a load, and you get an item that is perfectly suited for indoor CQB "corner clearing" or "door breaching," as the multiple low-velocity projectiles will saturate a good area, while the low-velocity will virtually guaranty that your opponent will not be hurt by the massive number of BB's traveling his way.



With use of Taiwanese "Green Gasses" or other higher-powered gasses, at a range of 15 ft, all 6 to 7 BB's will hit an area no bigger than 3 inches in diameter. Back up to 30 ft. in such a situation, and you will see an impact radius of more than 3 FEET in diameter. And as most BB's tend to fall within the 25 to 30 ft. area, with only a few making it all the way out to the 30 ft. mark, best effective-range with this piece, when using a load of 6 to 7 0.20 gram BB's and Taiwanese "Green Gas," is likely somewhere just over 25 ft. At that range, maximal shot patterning can be expected.



The full-sized M1100's, with their extended inner-barrel, can easily push this range out to well beyond 40 ft., with some hobbyists reporting an effective range of nearly 60 ft.



No sights are offered on these replicas -- so it's all up to point-shooting. However, given its designated role as described above, it's hard to miss..... (note here that a new product to hit the US market is the Easy Hit fiber-optic sight -- http://www.easyhit.com/ -- a model is even available [the "Add-On Rib"] that literally adds a "rib" to the top of the shotgun barrel).



And while the power figures cited above may not seem impressive, you must remember that the design of this shotgun requires that a single burst of gas propel all 7 (or however many) of the loaded BB's in one jet. With only one 0.20 gram BB loaded in the shell, a muzzle velocity of between 260 to 280 fps. can be had with HFC134a (as tested by RedWolf Airsoft Specialists' "Poor Man's Chrony" procedure) can be observed. Furthermore, the well known and well respected player Paco has reported a chrony figure just over 400 fps. when this piece is juiced with a full dose of the more powerful Taiwanese "Green Gasses" (again, using a single 0.20 gram BB). Of special note is that at ambient temperatures below 45 deg. F., the M870 pump-actions will still function with HFC134a, although performance will be DRASTICALLY decreased. However, under these conditions, the M1100 will completely fail to cycle with HFC134a. Use of Taiwanese "Green Gasses" or such other high-powered gasses will be MANDATORY for compensation. Despite the power of the M870, its wicked and highly intimidating "black hole" of an outer barrel, and that blood-curdling "click-clack" of its pump-action being racked, its muzzle report is decidedly disappointing. There's no loud "boom" here - just an ever so soft, tinny, and hollow "pop" as a spray of BB's exit from the muzzle, forced by propellant gas stored in a detachable gas reservoir that resides in the grip handle of the M870. Things improve a bit with the M1100, where its sleek and menacing black polymer body is matched by a rather loud succession of barrel growl as well as the metal clank of its autocycling bolt - and much of this aural improvement is likely also traceable to a larger gas reservoir with slightly higher output, which itself sits in the buttstock of the M1100, powering the blowback mechanism.



Gas fills to the M870 can be effected both with this reservoir in-place inside the M870's grip as well as with it detached (an excellent review of this is seen on Mentall's article, appearing as cited below in the "References" section, on Arnie's UK hobbyist site). For those of you who are shell-hogs like me (I've got no less than 43 shells), you may wish to also obtain an additional gas-unit. While hard to find (a retailer or private re-seller who's willing to work with you, such as my friend 888, who obtained this item for me on a special-order basis, would be your best bet), they're decently cheap (less than $20, USD, each), and as one unit can support up to 30 shots per fill, even only one backup carried in a BDU pocket or a magazine pouch would be more than enough for normal skirmish use. With the M1100, it's a matter of removing the faux rear buttstock recoil cushion, along with its resident gas-reservoir and evolution assembly, and filling that rather large compartment with propellant gas.



On the cosmetic front, the Maruzen M870 Grip Version as well as the black polymer/composite version of the M1100 FSV are both nearly all plastic (there is a "sporting" version of the M1100 available with wood furniture). However, they're quite hefty. At 2000 grams, the M870 feels very solid, and the sure-cocking foregrip adds dramatically to the effect (yes, one-handed cocking, made famous by "Sara Connor" of the classic sci-fi film "Terminator 2," is possible - however, be sure the sling swivel at the base of the grip handle doesn't trip into the release button for the gas magazine reservoir, letting it fly to the ground!). Meanwhile, the M110 is a true beast, measuring in at over 1 meter in length and tipping the scales at just under 3 grams (nearly 7 lbs). Sure, the proper Remington trademarks are present, but as my eagle-eyed friend Amgine pointed out, "Hey, it's spelled 'Remingto' on this gun." Surely a licensing issue.



One item to keep in mind is that while on the semi-automatic M1100 the spent shotshells are forcefully ejected and will land anywhere from 4 to 5 ft. away from you after having taken a spectacular flight arc since their exit from the shotgun, the shells, when ejected from the M870, merely fall to the ground. Not so spectacular, for sure, but still, much, much more realistic than that of the TM and Marushin replicas'. And really, the shells tend to pop out anywhere from an inch or two to about one to one-and-one-half feet from the body of the shotgun before starting to fall -- there really is no telling exactly how far each one will go before gravity takes over. Furthermore, the "ejection distance" does not seem to depend on the force with which the slide is racked back. Believe me, in order to insure successful ejection of the spent shell and proper chambering of the next round, you'll want to rack the mechanism with authority, anyway.



And speaking of racking in the next shot, the M870 Grip Version can hold 4 shells in the magazine tube (the full-size M1100 holds 7). If you really need it, of course, you can also load an extra shell "in the pipe," making for a total of 5 (+1 in the M1100 makes for a full load of 8, however, such misfeeds as mentioned below is also an issue here). However, doing so will likely cause you to accidentally trip the internal gas release, thereby producing a mis-feed. Of course, with each shotshell (available from most retailers in packs of 5; speaking of which, I recently [within the last month] received shells that were "green" colored instead of "blue" - and while I couldn't read the Japanese label on the packets, the word "new" was printed as a part of the product description, and the shells' base-pad are of slightly different design as compared to the "blue" type; did Maruzen re-design the shells; it has now been confirmed that only the "blue" shells should be used in the semi-automatic M1100's [its harsh mechanical action will tear the "brass" right off of the plastic husk], with the "green" and even "red" shells being reserved for the manually-cocking pump-action models), you can load anywhere from 1 to 10 BB's, but when doing so, you should remember the consequences to your observed muzzle velocity as well as effective range and patterning.



A further note on the shells is that should they be carried in a "shotshell holder" into skirmishes, the loaded BB's may jostle free of their capture points in the shell tube. This phenomenon seems to be directly related to the number of BB's in-line inside the shells - the more BB's, the more likely that some will be displaced during use. An optimal compromise between carry security and BB capacity per shell is somewhere between 4 to 6 BB's per load.



An unobtrusive safety is had directly at the junction between the trigger guard and the grip handle. While able to provide the shotgun with complete safety, if you intend to "draw" the shorter shotgun from a shoulder/back holster or such rig and THEN fire off a defensive shot during skirmish, you might as well forget about itâ?¦.. Disengaging the safety will take way, way too long; especially since its rather unobtrusive positioning means that it will be decently difficult to switch on or off. As such, a quick, smooth draw, PLUS disengaging the safety, becomes almost an impossibility during skirmish situations - especially in those "oh ****" moments when you're drawing a backup piece.



Therefore, your best carry option would be to jack in four shells (making for a full magazine), and then simply leaving the piece un-cocked (chamber/breech empty). This means that even if you were to accidentally trip the trigger, no matter the cause, the uncocked gun will NOT go off.



Now, ripping it off of a rear shoulder holster or swinging it around a bandolier/sling should pose no worries - and after you bring that large-bore barrel to bear on your opponent, simply cock and shoot. =)



With the M1100, its autoloading mechanism, combined with a rather short-travel and "touchy" trigger (albeit one with a very hard and high-poundage pull), makes engaging the safety necessary in all but the most ready-use situations.



As for upgrades, well, unfortunately, there just isn't much to be had in terms of those that are specific-for-airsoft.



For those who want an increase in power, there have been at least a half-dozen reports from very, very well-respected hobbyists INDIVIDUALLY AND INDEPENDENTLY stating that they have either NOT observed power increases after retrofit with the various aftermarket valves for this item or have actually observed an effective power DECREASE with such retrofits.



And as for cosmetic accessories, Maruzen has its own side-saddle buttstock or receiver mounted (via Velcro loop-closures, this item is not a hard-mount item nor will it require you to place Velcro directly onto the replica; it's like strapping on a harness on your body) spare shell holders. This item can be seen fitted to the M870 GV in the AirsoftScotland review of the M870, as it appears on Arnie's UK hobbyist forum, which is referenced below.



And for skirmish-users, the addition of a proprietary soft-shelled "spent brass catcher" is an absolute must. This item is also detailed in the referenced AirsoftScotland review.



With both the shotshell catcher as well as the shotshell carrier, you can typically also purchase these items from overseas retailers as a bundled accessory pack made by KM/HEAD1950 of Japan. One critical item to remember is not to allow the mounting loops come into interference with any critical functional areas of the replicas - and this includes the cocking handle.



The empty "husks" can then be transferred from such on-gun shell-catchers to something like this, which has been a part of my kit since the addition of my Maruzen shotty:



http://store2.blackhawkindustries.com/cgi-bin/storenew.pl?page=/new/product.html&setup=1&ida=938&idp=1336&his=0



This is NOT to be confused with the carry pouches used for "full" shells, which can be had both in the following "traditional" format:



http://store2.blackhawkindustries.com/cgi-bin/storenew.pl?page=/new/product.html&setup=1&ida=927&idp=1336&his=0



[But remember how I talked about the BB's "leaking out" of each shell?] or can be stored in any one of the various "new"-style Kydex shell-holders (ones that have a bottom "plate" to effectively "seal-in" and close the BB-hole). A competition model that allows for access to 5-6 horizontally carried shells in a "soda-machine" internal format would be ideal (can't find a pix of this one, sorry, guys!), or, alternatively, there are plenty of slip-on 2-shell carriers available. For those desiring a "special touch," they should consider experimenting with various real-steel accessories, as detailed in this thread below:



http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/reviews/m870/m870_custom_parts.htm



Additionally, most real-steel barrel/magazine-tube mounted clamps designed to accommodate the use of a laser sight module or a tactical flashlight can be retrofitted successfully to those very same attachment points on the airsoft replicas.



A special consideration to be made is with various "weapons-specific" forends - these will not fit without EXTENSIVE modification.



And similarly, to install a scope mount on these replicas as with their real-steel counterparts (side-of receiver "cantilevered" format) is equally as difficult, if not outright impossible (confirmed again by many individual enthusiasts) due to differences in the receiver mechanicals - as you can see, in this following photo of a Clarence Lai custom-built M1100, the red-dot sight mount base is directly affixed to the main receiver body at the TOP:



http://www.dentrinity.com/ClarenceLai/M1100.htm http://www.dentrinity.com/ClarenceLai/M1100cu.htm#sight



Well, that's it!



There's really not much more that I can say about these replicas that hasn't already been covered elsewhere.



Much of that is available through this legendary thread: http://www.airsoftzone.com/forums/message.cfm?topic_id=28201&forum_id=15#411404

Which, as you can see, bears a preview and incomplete version of this very review within its multitude of posts.



More importantly, though, it also bears the many inputs from a dedicated core of Maruzen gas-shotgun enthusiasts, and is therefore well worth the read.



Additional references that are highly recommended include the following:



http://www.airsoftzone.com/forums/message.cfm?topic_id=33231&forum_id=15 -- Phrizzawh's Maruzen M870 gas-efficiency test.



Arnie's UK hobbyist site provides the following: http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/reviews/m870/m870_review.htm, http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/reviews/m870/m870_review_as.htm, http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/reviews/m870/m870_review_mi.htm



As well as an interesting side note of Nautilus' review of the M1100 Defender, which uses not shells, as common with the other Maruzen offerings, but rather, a "magazine" feed: http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/reviews/m1100/m1100_shortreview.htm



And finally, this important troubleshooting and maintenance guide comes at the courtesy of SectionVI, a dedicated and well-respected bunch of UK skirmish enthusiasts: http://www.section6.fsnet.co.uk/m1100-870.html



They also authored this excellent article detailing a wonderful custom-job: http://www.section6.fsnet.co.uk/mau_m1100.html



As always, if you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to e-mail me directly at:



CXL77@po.cwru.edu



Thanks!



Allen aka DumboRAT

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By SHADOW
Published: November 30, 2003
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Gun Specs:

Manufacturer: Don Sang Model Company (licensed under KTW)
Product Name: KTW Ithaca M37 Shotgun
Detail: Will Fit All Marui M16 Series AEGs
Built Material: ABS, some metal System: Pump Action

Magazine Capacity: 46
Length: 530mm or 21"
Weight: 850g or 30 oz.

Playing CQB scenarios, I wanted to be able to have a weapon that was both functional and badass looking, a weapon with intimidating looks. So, when I saw the pictures of the M4 "MasterKey". It was love at first sight and I knew it was my weapon of choice for CQB scenarios. Here are my impressions of the KTW Ithaca M37 "MasterKey" Shotgun.

When I first opened the box, it did not look as nice as the pictures that I had seen on various websites (no surprise to me). None the less, it didn't look bad either. I picked it up out of the box and it was very light in weight, it weighs 850g, which is about 30 oz. That was one of my concerns about the shotgun to begin with. I was worried that it would put stress on the front of the M4. But, my worries were quickly dispatched due to how light it was and the way it mounts to the M4. It doesn't really put any strain on the front of the weapon at all. It feels filmy and not very solid. Be sure to check all the bolts and screws to make sure they are tight. All mine were loose. Just don't over tighten them as the threads could strip easily.







Fitting

This model does not require you to have a R.I.S. handguard on your M4. The KTW Ithaca M37 Shotgun mounts to all of Marui M16 Series AEGs. You could probably mount it on others, but it would need to be modified, and you would probably need to be handy with fabricating parts.

The rear mount slips over the magazine receiver on both the M4 and M16. The pivot pin for the main body is replaced with a bolt and locking nut.





Rear mount with mounting bolt in place.


I recommend that you use a light grease to help slide the bolt into place. Put the locking nut on, but don't tighten it just yet. I did notice a casting flaw with this mount, but it was no big deal

Once, you have the rear mount attached, the barrel mount can be put on, it attaches to the underside of the front sight or bayonet lug. You may have to do some grinding on the bayonet lug to get the mount to slide all the way on, but mine didn't require any.

Now that you have the barrel mount in place all you have to do is just tighten all of the hex head set screws and the locking nut for the rear mount.

All the tools that you will need to mount it with come with the shotgun. So, you won't have to try and find the right size hex head wrench. Just don't over tighten them; all you need to do is snug them up.




Front Mount and 1 or 2 BB Fire Control Switch


The only bad thing about mounting the shotgun on the M4 is that you will have to remove it to replace the battery.

You could relocate the battery, externally perhaps. Or you could modify the handguard so that the battery is on the top underside of the handguard. This is not a problem if you plan on mounting it to the M16.

Looks

As for the looks of the shotgun, like I said before, it's not really that bad. It kind of has the looks like across between a toy and real steel. It is made of mostly ABS with a little metal. And by little, I mean very little metal. I would give it a 4 to a 4.5 on a scale from 1 to 10 for looks. From a distance, it gives both the M4 and M16 that "Badass Look". In Airsoft, looks are about 90% of the sport. I did paint the front pump handle with flat black paint to make it match the rest of the weapon. The shotgun also comes with a rear pistol grip in case you wanted to use it solo. All you have to do is remove the rear mount and put on the pistol grip. The shotgun then resembles a sawed-off shotgun.





Special thanks to Kenny aka 888 for use of picture.




Overall length of the shotgun is 530mm, which is about 21 inches, so it would be good for CQB scenarios or tight woodland scenarios. In the near future, I plan on putting a laser sighting system and a SOCOM silencer on the M4 to help balance it out, along with a shell carrier on the side of the shotgun with deactivated shotgun shells in it for looks.






Overall length of M4 with extended stock and "MasterKey" mounted

is just less than 38 inches and weights 8.8 lbs.






This shotgun is spring-powered and it uses a magazine that loads into the front lower tube of the shotgun. The shotgun came with two magazines and it says that they will hold 46 BBs, but I have loaded 48 BBs in them with no problem. I wouldn't put any more than that, though. The magazines are about 8 inches in length and will fit in a utility pouch or M16 mag pouch. To fire the shotgun, you load one of the magazines into the lower tube underneath the barrel. There is a small switch where the barrel goes into the receiver.






Magazine loading into lower tube





You can flip it forward or backward. This is for firing one or two BBs at a time. When in the two-fire mode, mine did fire three BBs sometimes. I don't know if this will cause any problems on down the line or not. There is also a switch located at the trigger guard. You push it in to activate the feed for the BBs. Then all you do is pump the handle like a real steel shotgun. Take the safety off. It is located at the back of the trigger guard. Now, squeeze the trigger and each time you want to fire a BB, you just pump the shotgun.





The shotgun comes with two magazines(left). Safety and Feed Activator Button(right)




The power of the shotgun is nothing to brag about, but it's not bad either (I've seen worse). Supposedly it shoots about 200 fps but this is unconfirmed at the moment. If I had to guess, I would say it shoots somewhere between 180 and 200 fps. It does have decent range, and I have hit targets out to 50 ft. Using .25g BBs, but for CQB scenarios I will be using .2g BBs. It is primarily a close up weapon and you couldn't engage targets at any great distance. But, because it is low in the power range, you could engage your opponents at close range without the worry of seriously hurting them. The shotgun is really for CQB and it is a plus having your back-up weapon ready and on hand. This is why I chose the M4 "MasterKey" for CQB. If I decided not to carry my pistol, I would still have a back-up weapon and a little extra firepower when needed. Not to mention the fact that in airsoft, having the "one badass looking weapon" is half the fun.

Conclusion

Here is my overall view of the KTW Ithaca M37 Shotgun on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being the best possible rating:


Appearance: 4-4.5/10
Build Quality: 4-4.5/10
Performance: 3.5/10
Value for Money: 5/10
Overall Potential: 4/10

Well, that is my impression of the KTW Ithaca M37 Shotgun and I hope you enjoyed my little review on it. This was my first review of any weapon; I have plans on reviewing other airsoft weapons. If you have any questions or would like to contact me, please feel free to e-mail me at confirmedkills@hotmail.com. Remember, always wear proper eye protection, be safe, and have fun.





TM M4A1 Carbine with KTW Ithaca M37 "MasterKey" Shotgun


NOTE: The shotgun shell pictured above are REAL ammunition, the KTW model shotgun does NOT use shells to fire BBs.

DISCLAIMER: The above review is the sole opinion of the author of the review and does not reflect the opinions of this Website or it's administrators, associates, partners or sponsors.

- SHADOW


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By Lemmypoo
Published: November 30, 2003
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"I see FAR too much "speculation" on the gun as opposed to paying the 40 bucks and trying it yourself. But I did it for you, lucky whelp. I just got it today and haven't even used it in combat, but I can see it's combat abilities-- oh no I will not end this review in just a sentence in the intro, you got to read the rest!

Most reviews go over the pros first, nope. I will go over the cons. The gun is REALLY plasticy. It feels like a toy. And all of it's metal is a nasty-glossy unpainted die-cast metal. It is fugly. And it's magazine is an ABS plastic stick that is difficult to reload. And they are like a mile long, try finding a tactical mag holder for that! Also, considering it is a 40 dollar gun, it sucks that you CANNOT use .12g BBs. This is important to me, our group bought thousands of .12s, we have around 30,000 .12s just lying around that few of our guns can use, suck.

But that is where it's cons end. First off this gun is cheap, as low as 35.00 yowza! It also has extra magazines available for 15 bucks off of www.airsoftatlanta.com (by the way I bought my Auto Hardballer from them as well, I also had to pick up an extra Tokyo Marui AK-47 mag and a couple of bags of KSC .20 g pellets pleasurable experience, except when UPS sent my package to a city 200 miles away and made my package a day late, jerks). Another cool thing about the magazines, they hold 30 rounds in a "pseudo-double-stack" formation. You can also carry multiple magazines for rapid reloads (you empty the clip in SECONDS so this helps). The long magazines also just disappear in the gun. Though it is relatively comfy to load, it is time consuming.

The gun as I mentioned was plasticy, but it was well balanced and nice to hold. The grip is unusual in that there is a groove between the ring finger and pinky. Not really uncomfortable it just takes a bit of time to get used to. But it sits well in your hand and it will not go anywhere if you have to thrust it around corners (something I do a whole hell of a lot, I play around a half-finished garage in my back-yard, frantic CQB games are quite fun ). Which is also another pro, it is 515 mm long. That's right, just a bit longer than a p90. It is teeny. Excellent size for a CQB gun.

But there is one major deal-breaker, the performance. This gun has an insane ROF, around 500 RPM if you do the "rapid-fire". Hold down the trigger and just start pumping like a mofo. It is like a freaky ass SMG almost. Another misconception is that you cannot fire multiple rounds at once. Cock it, and then do a partial stroke on the pump, not all the way back, it will chamber a second round. Of course they will start rolling out, but you can load as many as you want for a close range surprise (Eat that zida guns!). Another interesting aspect is it's incredibly easy and short pump-stroke. Making it an excellent side-arm-- I would even use it with my AK-47. I even took a leaper holster and cut out the bottom a bit more and made a perfectly fitting holster so I can just yank it out and kick some ass.

This gun is also reasonably accurate. I can consistently hit targets at about 40' out with ease. The gun also has the range of a Higher-end Taiwanese springer handgun. Has a good punch behind it too, about like the HFC xm-177.

This could possibly be the best starter gun EVER. Unless they gradually deteriorate (doubt it, they feel rather solid) this could potentially replace the UHC mp5. I would not think twice about taking on any opponent with this (minus AEG users, I'm not THAT crazy). Everybody should buy one of these as simply a plinker, or even a side-arm for those of use on a budget.

I give the gun 4 out of 5, if you can handle the ugliness then you will be purdy happy.

UPDATE: After testing it in combat on level ground I found that .12s do in fact work fine, in fact they get better range. About the only drawback is low accuracy. Then again, this thing sprays ammo all over the place so I wouldn't worry about pin-point accuracy. I also exaggerated on the ROF, it is not 500 RPM, more like 120 RPM. You would have to fire it 8-9 times a second to get 500 RPM but still, 120 RPM beats the crap out of any other spring gun out there. And in the couple of months that I have owned it, it has never fowled up once. The clip will occasionally unload inside the well before it locks in, which sucks in battle. Thankfully that RARELY happens, like once in every 20 or so reloads, still not sure why it does that, but all you really have to do is take the mag out and shake the gun barrel towards the ground until all the pellets in the gun fall out. I have also mounted a mini-maglite on the pump action so I can use it at night, works like a charm.

I still think it is one of the best guns for the money out there, comparable even to gas guns

- Lemmypoo


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By Meatball
Published: December 6, 2002
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I got this gun free with a spring XM-177, so I really never even looked at it till 2 days later. I was really impressed with it at first. It felt pretty sturdy, looked pretty well, and had a good rate of fire compared to most other springers. It also shot surprisingly strong and accurate with .12g bb's. I was very impressed at first. Then everything changed.



After using the gun for about two weeks, on two weekend around the house battles, the cheapness was revealed. I realized why I got it for free. The gun broke internally while I was pumping it. I didn't realize it was broken, it looked fine, and felt okay until you pumped it. I opened it that night to find the internals, which were all plastic, broken. The spring catch was made of cheap plastic, and it broke off easily. Even the inner barrel was plastic, and it was made of about 3 pieces.



So after hardly two weeks, the gun was completely gone. No point in fixing it, even though it could be done. Too much work for another crappy springer. I just can not believe some stores sell this piece of crap for $80!!! It's bizarre. I really feel sorry for the people who buy that stuff, for that much. The gun probably breaks, and they quit airsoft, and never get back into it again. Just my thought.



From what I understand, the SPAS isn't much different. It is very weak internally, and most sites won't dare offer a warranty. So up until now there isn't any good cheap spring shotguns. I have heard of this new Hardballer II. I'm really looking forward to seeing how that gun does. It retails for the less the $40, so it would be great if it was half as good as people advertise it to be.



Well in conclusion. Don't buy this gun! If you want it for display, or a reason other then shooting it, don't pay more then $15, or just get the Hardballer II. Their retail is about the same.



- Meatball


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